Moving notebook entries around - within the same window

John Van Ostrand john at
Wed Nov 2 05:22:42 EDT 2011

Excuse the top-post, my blackberry is my only practical option this week.

I think a drag and drop configuration method like Linus offers is a great 
idea if it's saved on closing but only if it isn't gtk kludgery. The idea of 
targeting thick frames to drop pages onto sounds a little suspect (I haven't 
used the patch yet) and I'd be concerned that it would be fragile between 
gtk releases.

I also like the idea of a quick pick style on a View menu for those users 
who don't immediately recognize the drag and drop feature. Perhaps a method 
to allow packagers or distros to set a default style is also a good idea. I 
think offering a good first-launch experience for users means giving them a 
multi-pane view that they can start from.

----- Original Message -----
From: subsurface-bounces at <subsurface-bounces at>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds at>
Cc: Subsurface Mailing List <subsurface at>
Sent: Tue Nov 01 23:41:37 2011
Subject: Re: Moving notebook entries around - within the same window

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:37:18 -0700, Linus Torvalds 
<torvalds at> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Dirk Hohndel <dirk at> wrote:
> >
> > This gets us back to a layout that we started with a couple of months
> > ago - and which we KNOW doesn't work on small screens.
> Umm.
> I don't think you actually looked at the patch or at the behavior.
> The default is still to have everything in one notebook.
> The difference is that you can now drag it *within* the window too if
> you want to expand it.
> So it doesn't change the small screen case AT ALL. It only changes the
> big-screen one.
> Go and look at the patch, and try it out. Then get back to this,

Read what I wrote, Linus. The whole part that you deleted to pick the
one sentence that you don't like.

Yes, I looked at the patch. My comment was about your suggestion that
'we should perhaps kill the "create separate windows" version entirely'.

THAT is what I object to.

And I find the way that you implement the transition from the current
notebook to this one window with three areas design (for a lack of a
better term) rather odd.

As I mentioned I'd rather do this with a config option than with magic
tiny drop zones.

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