Downgrade

[Miika Turkia]

The "unknown" cylinder is implicitly used, as it is considered to be the
gas you started the dive with. If you want to get rid of that, you will
have to create a gas change event to one of the new cylinders at the
beginning of the dive. Then the first gas is considered to be the new one
and not the 'unknown' and the 'unknown' can be removed. There is no gas
change event displayed for the first gas of the dive (unless manually
added), so it is a bit hard to grasp the "concept". I suggest setting the
first gas change somewhere between 0 and 10 seconds from the start of the
dive. If you set it before the dive started, then it won't work. I agree
that the user interface is not very good for this...

miika


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Miika,
>
> Thank you for the reply but despite of the fact that everybody continue
> repeating me that I can not delete a cylinder that is in use the logic
> behind the cylinder is obscure to me.
> I tried several times with no luck.
>
> From an end user POV:
>
> I haven't single gas dives. Imagine I have a dive with D8,5 filled with
> 30/30 and Al40 with 100%.
>
> #1 I download a dive and if I have no default bottle, that equipment tab
> is not empty, it contains a unknown type bottle.
> #2 I download a dive and if I have a default bottle, that equipment tab is
> filled with that.
>
> In the case #1 instead to modify the "unkonwn" cylinder, I add that two
> cylinders: D8,5 & Al40.
> After this I cannot delete anymore the "unknown" cylinder because it's in
> use.
> By who?
> I tried to add a gas switch to 100% but
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> 2014-07-14 13:31 GMT+02:00 Miika Turkia <miika.turkia at gmail.com>:
>
> You can not delete a cylinder that is in use. As you said, you used 21/35
>> and 50%, these both cylinders are shown on the equipment properly as they
>> were used during the dive.
>>
>> However, the dive info tab is buggy. There is clearly a bug in there when
>> diving with multiple cylinders and multiple dive computers. The 21/35 is
>> missing from there.
>>
>> To test this, I deleted manually the second dive computer from the XML
>> file and now the dive info tab shows gas consumption for both gases as
>> shown in the attached screenshot. I am still wondering if this is correct
>> as the SAC is unbelievable low, but it does reflect to the start and end
>> pressures shown on equipment tab.
>>
>> miika
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dirk,
>>> Did you check the xml I sent?
>>>
>>> Again, how I can remove a bottle from the bottle panel?
>>> Should I add a fake gas change? As end user this part It's really a
>>> nightmare and I don't get useful info from the manual.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-07-10 17:10 GMT+02:00 Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi Dirk,
>>>>
>>>> I think I understood: while I was copying the entire dive I realized
>>>> this dive has two profiles with two computers in it.
>>>> Very strange. The only way I could imagine this mix is:
>>>> I imported this dive from my buddy computer.
>>>> Later I download other dives from my suunto and I had on it the same
>>>> dive...
>>>>
>>>> Attached the xml file and two screenshot of what I see. Basically I
>>>> used a 21/35 and 50% for deco but on the dive info I see only the EAN50 but
>>>> I see 0 liter for the phantom 21/35.
>>>>
>>>> [image: Immagine in linea 1]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Immagine in linea 2]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-07-10 16:57 GMT+02:00 Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org>:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:08:32PM +0200, Davide DB wrote:
>>>>> > I downgraded to 4.1 and gas mix is still not there.
>>>>> > I took some backups but again gas mix for this dive is still not
>>>>> there.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I tried to compare xml files but I d not see obvious
>>>>> differences/errors.
>>>>> > Any idea why I'm getting this?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thank you in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I got lost in this somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you attach the XML for one dive that shows the problem. Describe
>>>>> what
>>>>> you expect to see (and why) and what you are seeing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> /D
>>>>>
>>>>> > 2014-07-09 16:16 GMT+02:00 Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com>:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Images?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I got backups.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > This is what I see on this dive:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > two tanks and gas used. One gas switch but a phantom gas with no
>>>>> name e
>>>>> > > zero gas used.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > 2014-07-09 16:02 GMT+02:00 Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org>:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 04:24:36PM +0300, Miika Turkia wrote:
>>>>> > >> > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > > Can I downgrade from 4.1.379 to official 4.1 without braking
>>>>> my
>>>>> > >> logbook?
>>>>> > >> > > I just realized that some dives have correct bottle info
>>>>> saved but
>>>>> > >> CAS and
>>>>> > >> > > gas used doesn't appear on the information panel.
>>>>> > >> > >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Should work fine. Of course, when using development versions,
>>>>> you should
>>>>> > >> > keep a backup (or version control) of your log file. But I have
>>>>> not
>>>>> > >> noticed
>>>>> > >> > any problems when mixing use of 4.1 and devel versions.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Picture support has changed (but Subsurface ignores tags it
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> > >> understand). So if you stored pictures with the development
>>>>> version, you
>>>>> > >> won't see them in 4.1 and after storing the file again with 4.1
>>>>> they will
>>>>> > >> be lost.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> In general I can only stress what Miika said - make backups
>>>>> BEFORE using
>>>>> > >> development versions and have a close eye on changes to the XML
>>>>> file. We
>>>>> > >> have been known to seriously break things and to lose information
>>>>> in dive
>>>>> > >> files. We obviously try no to, but it does happen.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> /D
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > > Davide
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Davide
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Davide
>>>>
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