Customizable Print Formats GSoC 2015

[Dirk Hohndel]

No, we will not include TeX or assume that is installed. I see the technical benefit, it's completely unrealistic as print backend for a dive log app

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> On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:39 AM, Robert Helling <helling at atdotde.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On 03.03.2015, at 13:05, Lubomir I. Ivanov <neolit123 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> i think, before you start writing the proposal users should provide
>> feedback on what level of customization they want from the print
>> layouting.
>> Davide, Robert - any ideas?
> 
> I think my old comments still apply: Typesetting is a highly non-trivial task (in particular if your expectations are more than basic), even decent line breaks are not easy to get let alone more complex formatting tasks. I think it would be foolish to attempt to set it up from scratch. Even without templates/user definable layout we currently fail miserable in this task. To my mind, we need to rely on external tools (library or program) to produce decent output on a printer. Setting things up by putting text in some rectangles will not do. For similar reasons, I don’t think html is the way to go since it is designed to render on screens rather than sheets of paper. You only need to look at the current gymnastics we do not to run over the bottom of the sheet. To me, doing proper typesetting is the hard part, making this configurable (for example with templates) is then secondary.
> 
> One way to go would be to pipe into LibreOffice writer (to use other open source software) and rely on it’s abilities to turn strings of characters and tables into decent pdf. But I don’t think this is very elegant (and it will without doubt be painful).
> 
> I would like to argue once more to use TeX as the typesetting engine (I have done so in the past).
> 
> There is one obvious downside of this: Joe Average User (probably everybody outside academia) does not have TeX installed and with all its fonts and utilities it is a huge software package. And this is why this proposal was turned down in the past.
> 
> But please, let me one last time argue its pros:
> 
> o) Even though it is not installed, it is not that hard to install. Packages exists essentially for all platforms, it is just one dependency (for pdftex) on any Linux package manager, there are ready to install (single click) packages for Windows and Mac. And is probably the prime example of stability: Since the mid-1980s every TeX source as produced exactly the same output only any platform. Version problems are nonexistent (thanks to the stubbornness of Don Knuth).
> 
> o) As it is an external program, we don’t need to force it on users. Only those users who want to use subsurface to produce prime quality paper logbook pages would need to install it.
> 
> o) Typesetting quality is second to none (as a lot of research has gone into it)
> 
> o) Its input is very simple, in that respect it is similar to html (ascii as input format).
> 
> o) As such it is trivial to use with any templating solution. In fact, since it is a macro language, it already comes with this.
> 
> To illustrate, I attached a patch that adds a simple prototype of TeX-printing to current master (I actually use this to produce my paper log from subsurface). 
> <texexport.txt>
> 
> It does nothing unless you have “pdftex” in your path. If you do, it adds one point to the dive-list context menu, which typesets the current dive into a pdf. All layout is done in logbookstyle.tex which plays the role of a template. All subsurface has to do is to output a file dive.tex that in my case contains just
> 
> \def\date{2014-11-15}
> \def\number{476}
> \def\place{Allmanshausen, Badeplatz}
> \def\spot{}
> \def\country{}
> \def\entrance{}
> \def\time{44:00}
> \def\depth{30.7m}
> \def\gasuse{}
> \def\sac{16.7 l/min}
> \def\type{}
> \def\viz{3}
> \def\plot{\includegraphics[width=9cm,height=4cm]{profile}}
> \def\comment{Vytec Batterie nicht richtig eingesetzt, zwei Weihnachtsmänner, riesiger Barschschwarm beim Auftauchen (11m), trotz Terminverpeilung durfte ich mittauchen. Wassereinbruch oben am Reissverschluss, hervorgerufen durch fehlerhafte Klebung.}
> \def\buddy{Gernot, Hanah Ewa}
> \input logbookstyle
> 
> to produce 
> <dive.pdf>
> .
> 
> Yes, it’s huge, but I doubt you will get anything with comparable output quality at a much lighter weight.
> 
> Best
> Robert
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