subsurface Digest, Vol 54, Issue 34
Todd Bartrim
bartrim at gmail.com
Sun May 29 00:15:52 PDT 2016
Keep the mobile going! It's not perfect, but I've been expecting that it
would evolve with input from users that are way smarter than me. Heck, I
only read this list to remind myself how little I know about this shit.(oh
yeah, and to get an idea of whats coming down the pipe). As I don't have
any value to contribute I also don't whine about missing features, etc. as
I just appreciate the work you guys are doing.
I would like to be able to download using an USB host cable from my DC
while on vacation and away from my PC. I used to do this long ago using an
app called Divemate? or something like that. But I abandoned that long ago
in favor of Subsurface as overall I like to be able to use it on my linux
desktop as well. Subsurface mobile gives me (almost) the best of both.
Just keep doing what you're doing, it is appreciated.
Todd
Todd Bartrim
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> 1. [PLEASE VOTE] so what should we be working on (Dirk Hohndel)
> 2. Re: [PLEASE VOTE] so what should we be working on
> (Gabriel Rossetti)
> 3. Re: [PLEASE VOTE] so what should we be working on
> (Henrik Brautaset Aronsen)
> 4. Re: [PLEASE VOTE] so what should we be working on
> (David Tillotson)
> 5. Become iPhone App Beta Tester (Holger Schmermbeck)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 14:37:26 -0700
> From: Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org>
> To: Subsurface Mailing List <subsurface at subsurface-divelog.org>
> Subject: [PLEASE VOTE] so what should we be working on
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> I have been focused on other things for a while (and the why and the what
> will become public fairly soon) and decided to use that chance to figure
> out what would happen if I just stopped paying attention here for a while.
>
> Here's what I think I learned (correct me if I'm wrong)
>
> a) no one cares about Subsurface-mobile. No bug reports, no code, no
> suggestions, nothing. So I guess we should call this a failed attempt and
> abandon it - screw the 500 or so people who use it.
>
> b) Miika continues to deal with any import bug that shows up. Awesome.
> Your patches have been pushed
>
> c) there continues to be a slow crawl of features, ideas, patches for the
> planner. Those have also been pushed (someone poke me if I got something
> wrong there)
>
> d) no one cares about the dive site mess that we have. The current version
> in Subsurface 4.5.x is pretty much unusable and makes no bleeping sense.
> No patches, some suggestions for improvement, no discussion, nothing.
>
>
> In summary, this project is pretty much dead. I guess it does everything
> the formerly active developers wanted? Or everyone has moved on to more fun
> things? Or had children, changed jobs, built a house, lost their job, or
> one of a number of other life events?
>
>
> So what should we be working on...? Should we...
>
> (1) just shut this down and move on?
> (2) move things to maintenance mode, abandon Subsurface-mobile, fix bugs
> in Subsurface whenever we find time but otherwise declare victory? It won't
> be too painful to track libdicecomputer and keep making 4.5.x releases for
> a while, I guess...
> (3) focus on Subsurface-mobile, release the iOS version, update the
> Android version and see if there is a single person besides me who is
> willing to invest time into that?
> (4) focus on Subsurface 4.6, fix the dive site management and create a
> list of prioritized features that we want to get in place?
> (5) focus on Subsurface 5.0, write a completely new UI and abandon what we
> have in 4.5?
>
> If your vote is for 3, 4, or 5 I assume that you are volunteering to carry
> some of the work that is needed to get there.
> If you don't vote, I will count that as a vote for 1.
>
> /D
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 00:00:21 +0200
> From: Gabriel Rossetti <rossetti.gabriel at gmail.com>
> Cc: subsurface at subsurface-divelog.org
> Subject: Re: [PLEASE VOTE] so what should we be working on
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> On 28 May 2016 23:37, "Dirk Hohndel" <dirk at hohndel.org> wrote:
> >
> > So what should we be working on...? Should we...
> >
> > (1) just shut this down and move on?
> > (2) move things to maintenance mode, abandon Subsurface-mobile, fix bugs
> in Subsurface whenever we find time but otherwise declare victory? It won't
> be too painful to track libdicecomputer and keep making 4.5.x releases for
> a while, I guess...
> > (3) focus on Subsurface-mobile, release the iOS version, update the
> Android version and see if there is a single person besides me who is
> willing to invest time into that?
> > (4) focus on Subsurface 4.6, fix the dive site management and create a
> list of prioritized features that we want to get in place?
> > (5) focus on Subsurface 5.0, write a completely new UI and abandon what
> we have in 4.5?
> >
> > If your vote is for 3, 4, or 5 I assume that you are volunteering to
> carry some of the work that is needed to get there.
> > If you don't vote, I will count that as a vote for 1.
> >
> > /D
> >
>
> I am just a user (and a freediver at that), but I see nothing wrong with #2
> for a while until someone has ideas/time to add new features. If it does
> what people need and it does it well, why tinker with it constantly just
> for the sake of it? Definitely not #1 as the project is awsome.
>
> As for mobile, I think dive computers are not modern enough yet to interact
> with a mobile device in a meaningful way, but that is just my opinion.
>
> Cheers,
> Gabriel
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> From: Henrik Brautaset Aronsen <subsurface at henrik.synth.no>
> To: Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org>
> Cc: Subsurface Mailing List <subsurface at subsurface-divelog.org>
> Subject: Re: [PLEASE VOTE] so what should we be working on
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> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 11:37 PM, Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org> wrote:
> >
> > a) no one cares about Subsurface-mobile. No bug reports, no code, no
> > suggestions, nothing. So I guess we should call this a failed attempt and
> > abandon it - screw the 500 or so people who use it.
> >
>
> Are you insane? Subsurface-mobile is fantastic!
>
>
> > b) Miika continues to deal with any import bug that shows up. Awesome.
> > Your patches have been pushed
> >
>
> Thumbs up!
>
>
> > d) no one cares about the dive site mess that we have. The current
> version
> > in Subsurface 4.5.x is pretty much unusable and makes no bleeping sense.
> > No patches, some suggestions for improvement, no discussion, nothing.
> >
>
> I tried making a suggestion that would make it cleaner, but it was shot
> down. I still care a lot about proper dive site handling, and it's one of
> the reasons why I still haven't switched to Subsurface as my main dive
> app. But still, that's me. I have no idea what others think.
>
>
> > In summary, this project is pretty much dead. I guess it does everything
> > the formerly active developers wanted? Or everyone has moved on to more
> fun
> > things? Or had children, changed jobs, built a house, lost their job, or
> > one of a number of other life events?
> >
>
> Don't give up just because things have slowed down lately. The pace has
> been pretty hefty for awhile, and it's just a slow season. Things will
> pick up again. Summer is just around the corner, people might be busy
> diving :)
>
>
> > (1) just shut this down and move on?
> >
>
> No. Give it a couple of years before you give up.
>
>
> > (2) move things to maintenance mode, abandon Subsurface-mobile, fix bugs
> > in Subsurface whenever we find time but otherwise declare victory? It
> won't
> > be too painful to track libdicecomputer and keep making 4.5.x releases
> for
> > a while, I guess...
> >
>
> Give it time!
>
>
> > (3) focus on Subsurface-mobile, release the iOS version, update the
> > Android version and see if there is a single person besides me who is
> > willing to invest time into that?
> >
>
> If you feel you have time for it, please do! The mobile app is awesome. Or
> get some more diving in, do other fun stuff, clear your head, and come
> back :)
>
>
> > (4) focus on Subsurface 4.6, fix the dive site management and create a
> > list of prioritized features that we want to get in place?
> >
>
> That would be nice.
>
>
> > (5) focus on Subsurface 5.0, write a completely new UI and abandon what
> we
> > have in 4.5?
> >
>
> That sounds counter productive. I'd rather have the current product
> evoluting step by step.
>
>
> > If your vote is for 3, 4, or 5 I assume that you are volunteering to
> carry
> > some of the work that is needed to get there.
> > If you don't vote, I will count that as a vote for 1.
> >
>
> Well, that's a sucky ultimatum. It looks to me like you really want to
> shut down Subsurface by trying to scare people away from voting. But
> somehow I hope not.
>
> Henrik
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> Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 23:30:12 +0100
> From: David Tillotson <david at acmelabs.co.uk>
> To: Subsurface Mailing List <subsurface at subsurface-divelog.org>
> Subject: Re: [PLEASE VOTE] so what should we be working on
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> On 28 May 2016 22:37:26 BST, Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org> wrote:
> >I have been focused on other things for a while (and the why and the
> >what will become public fairly soon) and decided to use that chance to
> >figure out what would happen if I just stopped paying attention here
> >for a while.
> >
> >Here's what I think I learned (correct me if I'm wrong)
> >
> >a) no one cares about Subsurface-mobile. No bug reports, no code, no
> >suggestions, nothing. So I guess we should call this a failed attempt
> >and abandon it - screw the 500 or so people who use it.
> >
> >b) Miika continues to deal with any import bug that shows up. Awesome.
> >Your patches have been pushed
> >
> >c) there continues to be a slow crawl of features, ideas, patches for
> >the planner. Those have also been pushed (someone poke me if I got
> >something wrong there)
> >
> >d) no one cares about the dive site mess that we have. The current
> >version in Subsurface 4.5.x is pretty much unusable and makes no
> >bleeping sense. No patches, some suggestions for improvement, no
> >discussion, nothing.
> >
> >
> >In summary, this project is pretty much dead. I guess it does
> >everything the formerly active developers wanted? Or everyone has moved
> >on to more fun things? Or had children, changed jobs, built a house,
> >lost their job, or one of a number of other life events?
> >
> >
> >So what should we be working on...? Should we...
> >
> >(1) just shut this down and move on?
> >(2) move things to maintenance mode, abandon Subsurface-mobile, fix
> >bugs in Subsurface whenever we find time but otherwise declare victory?
> >It won't be too painful to track libdicecomputer and keep making 4.5.x
> >releases for a while, I guess...
> >(3) focus on Subsurface-mobile, release the iOS version, update the
> >Android version and see if there is a single person besides me who is
> >willing to invest time into that?
> >(4) focus on Subsurface 4.6, fix the dive site management and create a
> >list of prioritized features that we want to get in place?
> >(5) focus on Subsurface 5.0, write a completely new UI and abandon what
> >we have in 4.5?
> >
> >If your vote is for 3, 4, or 5 I assume that you are volunteering to
> >carry some of the work that is needed to get there.
> >If you don't vote, I will count that as a vote for 1.
> >
> >/D
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> As a user, I would say that 2 (or possibly 4) would be the most preferable
> of the options. The software as a whole does what it needs to, and most of
> it it does better than anything else available.
> The mobile app is great for reference, and for quickly recording details
> while away from a full system, so excluding any breakthrough features, is
> as much as I need. Yes, there are still some niggles in the UI, but not
> enough to actually annoy a user IMHO.
> I can't say that there is much wrong with the site management that I have
> seen, but I tend to just log a site name and GPS record.
> --
> David Tillotson
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 08:12:35 +0200
> From: Holger Schmermbeck <hosch at mailbox.org>
> To: subsurface at subsurface-divelog.org
> Subject: Become iPhone App Beta Tester
> Message-ID: <etPan.574a8924.41b71efb.52f at mailbox.org>
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>
> Hey,
>
> is it still possible to become iPhone App Tester with email
> hosch at mailbox.org ?
>
>
>
> Greets
>
>
> Holger
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