Subsurface Statistics Panel

Davide DB dbdavide at gmail.com
Thu Jul 6 14:03:11 PDT 2017 

If you find the time to find again my two emails of this thread from
the archives, there are a lot of wireframes about statistics and a
tons of other features.

There is even an idea for Lubomir regarding a map view...

It's a shame that all of this get wasted. Not only because I spent a
lot hours just to draw the mockups but just because after sometime new
or old developers have to start again and again. I remember you even
offer that statistics as GSOC.
I realize that email is the wrong media for such things. Everything
get lost and forgotten (as we).

As I did with mobile UI. Give them a look: if you find some of them
feasible, I will try to copy them as single pieces into Github.

Bye


On 17 March 2016 at 19:34, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tomaz,
>
> I'm reading your mail right now. Sorry or this. I completely lost of
> sight Subsurface because I'm under pressure with my job.
>
> I promise you I will try to study again my ideas of one year ago and I
> will give a feedback asap.
>
> Bye
>
> On 12 March 2016 at 20:56, Tomaz Canabrava <tcanabrava at kde.org> wrote:
>> back on this thread after so long.
>> (sorry davide, I focused on other stuff primarely, but now I'm back.)
>>
>> I'm following a few wireframes here but mostly I think that the interaction
>> is somewhat complex from what your sketches showed.
>>
>> I'll try to do something with them - and post some pictures for comment.
>>
>> Tomaz
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Some more wireframes for DDS (depth Duration and SAC)
>>>
>>> Depth
>>>
>>> http://i.imgur.com/6d1eF4N.png
>>>
>>> Duration
>>>
>>> http://i.imgur.com/QQV3qAX.png
>>>
>>> SAC
>>>
>>> http://i.imgur.com/dLjyt9K.png
>>>
>>> A couple of dumb pie charts for DC model and dive type:
>>>
>>> http://i.imgur.com/kR3Rd9d.png
>>>
>>> http://i.imgur.com/q342io0.png
>>>
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> It is missing? I don't think so. At least I can see it in Subsurface
>>> >> 4.4
>>> >> Did you check?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > My fault :)
>>> > I was looking too much to other logbooks and I miss it!
>>> >
>>> >> > In the last weeks I tested several desktop and online logbooks. When
>>> >> > it
>>> >> > comes to statistics most of them have an "All you can eat" approach
>>> >> > displaying tons of charts although only few of them being meaningful.
>>> >> > Here I selected those I find more useful (IMHO). A rose is a rose
>>> >> > hence
>>> >> > it's difficult to be original on some of them.
>>> >>
>>> >> The biggest problem to me is that more is not always better. Every new
>>> >> tab, every new graph, every new statistic adds more code, more bugs,
>>> >> more
>>> >> testing...
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > I agree with you
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> > *Overall/General/Outline*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/sDGavon.png
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Nearly all logbooks have a Overall view giving general statistics on
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > logbook owner so we can't be different on this :)
>>> >>
>>> >> Actually, yes we can, but I'll go along with you...
>>> >>
>>> >> > Actually it's similar to the current "stats" tab.
>>> >> > I did not try to layout labels right now. It's just a list of what we
>>> >> > could
>>> >> > have here:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >    - Num of dives (where/when)
>>> >> >    - Total  time diving (where/when)
>>> >> >    - Max / Min duration (where/when)
>>> >> >    - Max / Min depth (where/when)
>>> >> >    - Max / Min temperature (where/when)
>>> >>
>>> >> What does "where/when" mean in all of those?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > e.g.
>>> >
>>> > 574 dives - latest: Barracuda Point on 15/01/2015
>>> >
>>> > Max dive runtime at Block Island on 13/07/2012
>>> > Min dive runtime at Frozen Reeff on 13/07/2010
>>> >
>>> > And so on.
>>> > Where/when on total time diving is a copy&paste error
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> >    - Most dove spot/location
>>> >> >    - Average depth & average time
>>> >>
>>> >> Define average depth, please. Is this the mean depth of all the dives,
>>> >> or
>>> >> the mean of the max depths of all the dives? We've had this confusion
>>> >> before...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I guess  mean depth of all the dives.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >    - How many trips
>>> >> >    - Most used tank
>>> >> >    -
>>> >> >    - Total amount of gas used:
>>> >> >       - Air: xxx
>>> >> >       - He: yyy
>>> >> >       - O2: zzz
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Based on space available we could use the lowest part of this panel
>>> >> > view
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > draw a chart...(the time goes by chart described later)
>>> >>
>>> >> I think this is already a ton of information... and I worry about text
>>> >> only information as we have it on the stats tab. This often results in
>>> >> a
>>> >> very hard to absorb UI. So that's why I said above "we can decide not
>>> >> to
>>> >> have this 'overview'".
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I agree that mixing  text info and a chart is not the best solution.
>>> > This is the classic entry point for statistics. It's like a scuba CV
>>> > with
>>> > outline data.
>>> > All logbooks desktop/online have something like this and some divers use
>>> > this like a badge.
>>> > This outline screen would be the best candidate for social network
>>> > integration or even  a front-page of html export.
>>> >
>>> > Please do not touch the Anton's overall gas info of which I'm
>>> > particulary
>>> > fond of :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *Map View*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/o8IP4Ho.png
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I took this idea form an online logbook (diveaboard.com) and I saw
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > bubbles in other google maps based projects. (a local newspaper here
>>> >> > in
>>> >> > Italy use the same bubbles to display news location).
>>> >> > Basically it gives you the concentration of your dives. Each color
>>> >> > bubble
>>> >> > indicate/aggregates a number-of-dives range. I do not know if this is
>>> >> > possible with Marble/Openstreetmap.
>>> >> > Bubbles scales according to the map zoom. I can give you more
>>> >> > examples
>>> >> > if
>>> >> > you are interested.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is a very cool visualization. I really like it. Definitely want
>>> >> this
>>> >> one.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Once you zoom-in after a certain scale you get a single dive spot
>>> >> > view
>>> >> > like
>>> >> > our current Marble map.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes!
>>> >>
>>> >> > We are not editing dives here so it would be nice that once I hoover
>>> >> > on
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > given dive spot I get a small box with main dive details.
>>> >>
>>> >> What happens if there are many dives at that spot?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Try for yourself:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.diveboard.com/explore
>>> >
>>> > I think they have a fixd zoom setting where they show the real data on
>>> > the
>>> > map layer.
>>> >
>>> > THis is a news site:
>>> >
>>> > http://roma.repubblica.it/static/rep-locali/rep-roma/mappa-notizie/
>>> >
>>> > Maybe it is a google map api
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> > *Time goes by view*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/ybpmZ2e.png
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Despite of the funny name I gave it this is maybe the most classical
>>> >> > statistic view: number of dives through the time.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I saw many logbooks wasting screens using two separate graphs for
>>> >> > months
>>> >> > and years.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I would like having just one chart which mimics sparklines charts:
>>> >> > micro
>>> >> > columns/bar charts.
>>> >> > I show two examples of what I mean. (one is the Soundcloud chart).
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Our chart would have:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > - Each mont is one bar., one year 12 bars
>>> >> > - Months are grouped by year using alternate colors: (two shades of
>>> >> > gray)
>>> >> > 12 months light gray and 12 months dark gray.
>>> >> > - Max/Min values (month with most/least dives and year with
>>> >> > most/least
>>> >> > dives) are indicated by special colors as in the example.
>>> >> > - We could give extra info just hoovering on bars and having a info
>>> >> > box
>>> >> > like the current dive profile.
>>> >>
>>> >> WOW. That's a lot of work to implement. And except for people who dive
>>> >> every week... who would really get much out of this? Maybe I'm
>>> >> mis-judging
>>> >> our average user, but I'm not convinced this is all that interesting
>>> >> and
>>> >> it would be a lot, lot, lot of work and a lot of bug fixing and what
>>> >> not.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ok. That was my try to have a lot of info in one place.
>>> > I will try to sketch it.
>>> > divelogs.de and diving log have separate charts for this
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > - Some of overall stats tab could be moved here and indicated by a
>>> >> > bar
>>> >> > of a
>>> >> > special color.
>>> >> > - This chart could be moved in the overall tab lowest position.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *DDS view (Depth, Duration, SAC)*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/7uXP6qS.png
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Most of logbooks use have 5 charts (at least) for this view plotting
>>> >> > depth
>>> >> > and duration both on x and y-axis...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > IMHO having depth and duration on y-axis is completely meaningless
>>> >> > while
>>> >> > having them on x-axis is useful.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > SAC is the only stats is worth having on x-axis showing evoluton os
>>> >> > gas
>>> >> > consumption through experience.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I would like having just one chart. On the wireframe I draw two
>>> >> > charts
>>> >> > just
>>> >> > to show the difference on X-Y axis.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'd like to see more example pictures of what you want here... this has
>>> >> often been requested, and certainly the depth and duration charts seem
>>> >> obvious and easy to do.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Ok, I'll try
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> > *Pie view*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/D0fAH8I.png
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Whatever can be represented by a pie chart should go here.
>>> >> > I found:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >    - Deco/Curve
>>> >> >    - Ripetitive dive Y/n
>>> >> >    - Sea/Fresh water dive
>>> >> >    - OC/CCR/PSCR/Free dive
>>> >> >    - DC Model
>>> >> >    - Countries
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Umm, I need a lot more examples to understand what this is supposed to
>>> >> be.
>>> >> What does "Deco/Curve" mean? A lot of these seem like "fluff". I don't
>>> >> mean this in a bad way, I just think that the incremental use vs.
>>> >> incremental effort don't look promising.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > A pie chart showing percentage of "new dives" against repetitive dives
>>> > You dive with 5 DC but what is the percentage of use of all your dc in
>>> > you
>>> > career?
>>> >
>>> > I agree with your concerns (I'm not a developer :) )
>>> > Actually the whole statistics concept applied to our diving log is
>>> > somewhat
>>> > a "fluff".
>>> > It's like a selfie.
>>> > An hedonistic approach to click and see how I'm good at mixed with
>>> > anal-retentive thinking :)
>>> > I think that people who dive only in two/three trips in a year don't log
>>> > their dives but maybe I'm wrong.
>>> > If you do not dive often why you should spend/wasting your time
>>> > compiling
>>> > logbooks?
>>> > I saw that a lot of technical divers los their dives, specially reb
>>> > divers.
>>> > My buddies uploaded their dives to divelogs just to see their
>>> > statistics.
>>> >
>>> > Would be nice having a better understanding of the average dive-logger
>>> > joe
>>> > :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> > Based on filter selection some statistics charts could be impossible
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > calculate or display.
>>> >> > UI should take care to disable that views that lacks of meaning.
>>> >>
>>> >> Can you give examples?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I was not clear, sorry. I meant that if you filter only few or even one
>>> > dive, what do you pretend to see?
>>> >
>>> > Bye
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Davide
>>> > https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Davide
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> --
> Davide
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