RFC: Print templates for 4 dives per page and 6 dives per

Tue Nov 28 02:49:52 PST 2017

Hey,
>From my point of view the profile of the dive is the modt important. It can
tell exactly what went wrong or good and why during a dive.

On Nov 28, 2017 02:27, "Hartley Horwitz" <hhrwtz at gmail.com> wrote:

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>> From: Willem Ferguson <willemferguson at zoology.up.ac.za>
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>> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 15:10:12 +0200
>> Subject: RFC: Print templates for 4 dives per page and 6 dives per page
>>
>> I attach two images for some print templates that I have been working
>> with. I would appreciate comments from any members of this list, but
>> especially from anyone who prints dives to paper.
>>
>
> HH - I'm a recreational diver and I 'used to' print out my logs.  When I
> moved to using Subsurface I wanted to get many diver/page to save paper and
> in that case I didn't care about the profile.  I did care about the notes.
> The thinking is that a dive operator doesn't care how long you spent at 30m
> or 40m, just that you did.  Or they don't care what your profile looked
> like, just that you did a night dive or something like that.
>
> Don't get me wrong. One of the key reasons I use Subsurface is the
> visualization of the dive, but I think only me and my dive partner care
> about that and in that case I use my laptop or handheld to view the
> profile.
>
>> My point of departure with this work is to accommodate divers why
>> frequently print dives. Three points: 1) The biggest limitation is that all
>> dive details (i.e. those shown on the Notes, Equipment and Information tabs
>> in Subsurface) cannot be fitted onto a single sheet of paper. Therefore I
>> assume that those who print dives are more likely to be those who dive in a
>> recreational environment and configuration. Such divers have fewer demands
>> from a printout, compared to technical/sidemount/rebreather divers.
>>
> [HH] agree
>
>> These print layouts are therefore geared towards recreational divers. 2)
>> I used "conventional" recreational dive log sheets available on the
>> Internet to determine what information is more likely to be relevant to a
>> recreational diver. 3) Though I have not been totally consistent, I assumed
>> that the information showed in the multiple-dives-per-page layouts should
>> not show information different from the one-dive-per-page layout. If space
>> is limiting, a subset of information on the one-page layout should be shown
>> on the layouts with less page space for each dive. Any comments on these
>> points of departure?
>>
>> *6 dives:* On the left is the current default layout. Biggest issue is
>> that the notes are mostly not shown or severely truncated. It is futile to
>> include the Notes in the 6-dive layout. A lot of information is shown here,
>> which are not shown in the one-page print layout (e.g. SAC rate, rating,
>> tags). In putting together a 6-dive layout, I decided to split the
>> templates into two: 1) a template that does not show the notes; 2) a
>> template that does not show the dive profile. This gives a diver a choice
>> to print whatever is more important for her/him. In these two derived
>> templates, I re-arranged the layout compared to the current template.
>>
>  [HH] given my comments above, it isn't surprising I prefer the 2nd layout
> for the 6-dive - the one with more space for notes and no profile.
>
>> Note that in all 6-dive layouts, the depth and time labels on the dive
>> profile are for all practical purposes illegible, and I suspect this is a
>> problem that is not easily solved. Note:
>>
>> 1) The gas information on my two templates are truncated if more than one
>> cylinder is used on a dive. The gas information in my templates are rather
>> cryptic, giving cylinder type, gas type and begin/end cylinder pressure. In
>> the existing 6-dive layout (leftmost in image) there is more information
>> given for gas, but this comes with a penalty in other aspects of the page
>> layout.
>>
>> 2) In the proposed 6-dive layout with dive notes (i.e. without dive
>> profile), the dive notes are truncated if there are too many notes. I often
>> write fairly lengthy dive notes, so in the multiple-diives-per-page
>> printouts, my notes are commonly truncated.
>>
>
> [HH] the space you've allocated for notes seems sufficient for my
> purposes.
>
>> *4 dives: *We currently do not have a 4-dive template. My rationale was
>> that if someone wanted a several dives per page and also both the dive
>> profile and the dive notes,  a 4-dive layout is the more viable than the
>> 6-dive layout.  Here also, if the dive notes are long, they are truncated.
>> This layout is a compromise to show more or less all the information
>> originally intended with the 6-dive layout.
>>
>
> [HH]  I no longer print out, but would use the 6-dive, no profile
> template. I just asked my wife and she likes the 4-dive template!  It just
> shows you that it is hard to have a 1 size fits all solution.
>
>> Any comments are highly appreciated. If these layout are perceived as
>> useful, I will circulate the templates so that you can test them on your
>> own dive log. After that we can decide in which way they will be added to
>> the current set of templates.
>>
>>
>>
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