because people are just fundamentally assholes

[Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor]

Hello,
Been there. Dirk look at ASSP V2. It might worth checking it. Very
powerfull tool to protect and intercept bad mails. Also aboug DKIM and
otger stuff... once big serers marke you a possible spam source.... really
hard to get completly clean.



On Fri, Nov 12, 2021, 22:13 Robert Helling via subsurface <
subsurface at subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:

> Dirk,
>
> > On 12. Nov 2021, at 20:33, Dirk Hohndel via subsurface <
> subsurface at subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:
> >
> > Those of you with mail admin experience...
> > - do the DKIM headers look right to you?
> > - any other measures I should take to protect mailman?
>
> I feel your pain. I am also running mailman on my servers to handle
> mailing lists mainly for the kid’s class at school, parents of daycare etc
> etc and getting emails through gets harder day by day. Mails going to spam
> folders is the mildest thing, but many providers silently drop messages (my
> server thinks they are accepted but they never appear for the receiver
> unless for example the sender is in the receiver’s address book. I am
> looking at you gmx.de and web.de. And yahoo.com is simply broken beyond
> measure.)
>
> But others don’t do better: My employer’s central mail server, the biggest
> university in Germany headcount wise get’s its mails rejected by gmail.com
> at random times for obscure reasons. But they at least reject the mail
> which leads to an error message. Recently, I put my frustration about this
> in a blog post:
> https://atdotde.blogspot.com/2021/07/email-is-broken-spammers-won.html
>
> I haven’t attempted to set up DKIM. So if you found a good recipe to do
> that I would love to hear about it. What did you do to mailman? The
> interwebs suggest setting SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET but is seems for me, Debian
> had already done that. I disabled the xxx-subsbscribe and xxx-join
> addresses. What else can I do?
>
> Greetings from quarantine, week 3 day 5.
> Robert
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