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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Hi All,<br>
<br>
@Rick: Your guess is right: Oberflächenpause is surface
interval.<br>
In V-Planner I already tested several variant of surface
interval: Above 3h
surface time the result stays the same, including your request
of single dive
calculation.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">My first
impression: It looks like V-planner doing the expected result,
just the algebraic
sign (+/-) is inverted. <o:p></o:p></span>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">When I compare in V-Planner </span><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">this diving
profile</span>: VPM-B vs. VPM-B/E, the effect for both is
the same, just quite small different in the sum. <span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>VPM-B/E gives a little bit
les “bonus”. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Grüße Klaus Künsemüller
Ob den Weingärten 2
71735 Eberdingen
015253425252</pre>
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Am 09.02.2017 um 23:00 schrieb Rick Walsh:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 10 February 2017 at 07:50, Stefan
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3. Then for the second, much simpler dive I am surprised
that the results are different! I planned this very
simple dive then "standalone" in both tools -> still
the same difference. VPlanner gives you shorter deco and
I really have doubts if I did <a moz-do-not-send="true"
target="_blank" href="http://s.th">s.th</a>. wrong but
I can't figure out what.<br>
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<td valign="top"><span style="font-weight:600">Subsurface
Tauchplan</span><br>
Runtime: 55min<br>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">4min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-weight:600;color:rgb(255,0,0)">Luft</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">➙</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">40m</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">16min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">20min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">-</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">15m</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">6min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">26min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">-</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">12m</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">3min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">29min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">-</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">9m</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">4min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">33min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">-</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">6m</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">7min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">40min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">-</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">3m</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">12min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">52min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">➚</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">0m</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">3min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">55min</p>
</td>
<td>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">CND: 9%<br>
OTU: 24<br>
</p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px">Deco
model: VPM-B at +2 conservatism, effektive
GF=27/66<br>
ATM pressure: 1013mbar (0m)</p>
</td>
<td valign="top">V-Planner 3,98 by Ross Hemingway,<br>
VPM Code by Erik C. Baker.<br>
<br>
Dekompressionsmodell: VPM - B<br>
<br>
TAUCHPLAN<br>
Oberflächenpause = 5 Tag(e) 0 hr 0 min.<br>
Höhe über N. N. = 0m<br>
Konservatismus = + 2<br>
<br>
Abst. 40m (4) Air 10m/min
Abstieg <br>
Tiefe 40m 16:00 (20) Air 1,02
ppO2, 40m ead<br>
Aufst. 18m (22) Air -10m/min
Aufstieg <br>
Stop 18m 0:48 (23) Air 0,58
ppO2, 18m ead<br>
Stop 15m 2:00 (25) Air 0,51
ppO2, 15m ead<br>
Stop 12m 3:00 (28) Air 0,45
ppO2, 12m ead<br>
Stop 9m 3:00 (31) Air 0,39
ppO2, 9m ead<br>
Stop 6m 7:00 (38) Air 0,33
ppO2, 6m ead<br>
Stop 3m 10:00 (48) Air 0,27
ppO2, 3m ead<br>
Oberfl. (51) Air -1m/min
Aufstieg <br>
<br>
Ausgasung beginnt bei 27,4m<br>
<br>
OTU's Tauchgang: 21<br>
CNS Total: 7,4%<br>
<br>
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<div>I'm no German speaker, but I guess Oberflächenpause is
surface interval. Can you try planning this dive again
with V-Planner, but do it as a new 'mission', rather than
a 5 day surface interval? In Subsurface, we ignore any
previous dives >2 days earlier, but V-Planner may not,
and it may be taking credit for the crushing pressure of
the previous dive. </div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <br>
Finally I decided not to worry too much :-)<br>
- I prefer to see a penalty for any repetitive dive I
plan so I like the fix you did now<br>
- Subsurface at least in this examples gives similar or
slightly more conservative results -> also ok for me<br>
- My buddies and me will continue to compare different
results before we go diving<br>
- I don't do repetitive dives so often because actually
I'm too lazy to get in and out of my dry suit more than
once a day + plus I'm so hungry and thirsty after each
dive that this also stops me from doing a second one
afterwards ;-)<span class="gmail-"><br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Stefan<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_4509826173428991374moz-signature">--
<br>
<p>Stefan Fuchs<br>
E-Mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"
href="mailto:sfuchs@gmx.de">sfuchs@gmx.de</a></p>
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