<div dir="ltr">Hello.<div>This is my first time using mailing list sorry if I did wrong by replying directly via gmail "reply" button.</div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">END/MOD or any other related short terms like that should not be translated but could have comment/description infobox translated.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">In France we learnt that terms in Open Water Level 1 course, of course we know the translated term but If I dive in Mexico or Florida it would be better to use english terms</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">and it is the same if you dive anywhere. I'm more thinking about a correct dive planning/blending tasks.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">>So I </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">personally prefer to leave some terms just in English or the mnemonic and</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">>the detailed explanation translated or explained</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I agree with that.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-03-07 9:33 GMT+04:00 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:subsurface-request@subsurface-divelog.org" target="_blank">subsurface-request@subsurface-divelog.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send subsurface mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: question about technical terms and translations (Pablo Wolter)<br>
2. Re: question about technical terms and translations<br>
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3. Re: question about technical terms and translations<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 04:55:47 +0000<br>
From: Pablo Wolter <<a href="mailto:pwolter@gmail.com">pwolter@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Dirk Hohndel <<a href="mailto:dirk@hohndel.org">dirk@hohndel.org</a>>, Miika Turkia<br>
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I also think this will depend. I saw some translation for END into Spanish<br>
in a class and it just made harder for me to memorize it for the exam. So I<br>
personally prefer to leave some terms just in English or the mnemonic and<br>
the detailed explanation translated or explained<br>
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On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 20:47 Miika Turkia <<a href="mailto:miika.turkia@gmail.com">miika.turkia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Dirk Hohndel <<a href="mailto:dirk@hohndel.org">dirk@hohndel.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> > One of the downsides of using GitHub is that a lot of discussions tends<br>
> to<br>
> > happen on the pull requests and only those that subscribe to those<br>
> > notifications see those...<br>
> ><br>
> > E.g., on <a href="https://github.com/Subsurface-divelog/subsurface/pull/235" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/Subsurface-<wbr>divelog/subsurface/pull/235</a> there<br>
> > is a question about the universal understanding of MOD, END, divelog,<br>
> > divespot, setpoint...<br>
> ><br>
> > Should those be translated at all?<br>
><br>
> I am quite sure it depends on the language. I.e. divelog and divespot<br>
> I would translate, but MOD, END and setpoint I would not, unless<br>
> someone who is familiar with Finnish diving vocabulary tells me what<br>
> they actually should be.<br>
><br>
> > My experience leads me to believe that they SHOULD be translated because<br>
> > there seem to be a lot of divers who aren't familiar with the English<br>
> > terms and English abbreviations.<br>
><br>
> Having them as translatable strings gives the translator the freedom<br>
> to do as he please. I.e. I have just copied over some of the terms and<br>
> translated those that I have good terms in Finnish. I have to admit<br>
> that it was a problem before I realized that I can do just that.<br>
> Anyway, I am quite certain that in some languages it makes sense to<br>
> translate them and in some others it does not.<br>
><br>
> > What do people here on the list who aren't diving in an English speaking<br>
> > context think about that statement?<br>
><br>
> Unfortunately I am not familiar at all with the Finnish diving<br>
> vocabulary at all, so I wouldn't trust myself too heavily in whatever<br>
> I stated above :D<br>
><br>
> miika<br>
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 06:26:27 +0100<br>
From: Martin de Weger <<a href="mailto:martin@reef-it.nl">martin@reef-it.nl</a>><br>
To: Dirk Hohndel <<a href="mailto:dirk@hohndel.org">dirk@hohndel.org</a>>, Miika Turkia<br>
<<a href="mailto:miika.turkia@gmail.com">miika.turkia@gmail.com</a>>, Pablo Wolter <<a href="mailto:pwolter@gmail.com">pwolter@gmail.com</a>><br>
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MOD and EAN are terms we use in Dutch as well. I agree with Milka it would be nice to have them as translatable strings, so it it the translators decision.<br>
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Martin<br>
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On 7 mrt. 2017 05:55 +0100, Pablo Wolter <<a href="mailto:pwolter@gmail.com">pwolter@gmail.com</a>>, wrote:<br>
> I also think this will depend. I saw some translation for END into Spanish in a class and it just made harder for me to memorize it for the exam. So I personally prefer to leave some terms just in English or the mnemonic and the detailed explanation translated or explained<br>
><br>
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><br>
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> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 20:47 Miika Turkia <<a href="mailto:miika.turkia@gmail.com">miika.turkia@gmail.com</a> (mailto:<a href="mailto:miika.turkia@gmail.com">miika.turkia@gmail.com</a><wbr>)> wrote:<br>
> > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Dirk Hohndel <<a href="mailto:dirk@hohndel.org">dirk@hohndel.org</a> (mailto:<a href="mailto:dirk@hohndel.org">dirk@hohndel.org</a>)> wrote:<br>
> > > One of the downsides of using GitHub is that a lot of discussions tends to<br>
> > > happen on the pull requests and only those that subscribe to those<br>
> > > notifications see those...<br>
> > ><br>
> > > E.g., on <a href="https://github.com/Subsurface-divelog/subsurface/pull/235" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/Subsurface-<wbr>divelog/subsurface/pull/235</a> there<br>
> > > is a question about the universal understanding of MOD, END, divelog,<br>
> > > divespot, setpoint...<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Should those be translated at all?<br>
> ><br>
> > I am quite sure it depends on the language. I.e. divelog and divespot<br>
> > I would translate, but MOD, END and setpoint I would not, unless<br>
> > someone who is familiar with Finnish diving vocabulary tells me what<br>
> > they actually should be.<br>
> ><br>
> > > My experience leads me to believe that they SHOULD be translated because<br>
> > > there seem to be a lot of divers who aren't familiar with the English<br>
> > > terms and English abbreviations.<br>
> ><br>
> > Having them as translatable strings gives the translator the freedom<br>
> > to do as he please. I.e. I have just copied over some of the terms and<br>
> > translated those that I have good terms in Finnish. I have to admit<br>
> > that it was a problem before I realized that I can do just that.<br>
> > Anyway, I am quite certain that in some languages it makes sense to<br>
> > translate them and in some others it does not.<br>
> ><br>
> > > What do people here on the list who aren't diving in an English speaking<br>
> > > context think about that statement?<br>
> ><br>
> > Unfortunately I am not familiar at all with the Finnish diving<br>
> > vocabulary at all, so I wouldn't trust myself too heavily in whatever<br>
> > I stated above :D<br>
> ><br>
> > miika<br>
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 23:33:03 -0600<br>
From: Federico Masias <<a href="mailto:fede@masias.net">fede@masias.net</a>><br>
To: Martin de Weger <<a href="mailto:martin@reef-it.nl">martin@reef-it.nl</a>><br>
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To add onto what Pablo was saying, I primarily dive in Mexico, and acronyms<br>
do not change in Spanish. Granted, this is usually in a resort town in<br>
Mexico where almost every one of the DMs and Instructors speaks some other<br>
language, but most of my conversations are in Spanish.<br>
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Having said that, Miika and Martin have the right idea -- leave it up to<br>
the translator(s) of each language. I'd just add that we should make it<br>
clear to them that it's okay to leave some things un-translated for<br>
clarity.<br>
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On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Martin de Weger <<a href="mailto:martin@reef-it.nl">martin@reef-it.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
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> MOD and EAN are terms we use in Dutch as well. I agree with Milka it would<br>
> be nice to have them as translatable strings, so it it the translators<br>
> decision.<br>
><br>
> Martin<br>
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> On 7 mrt. 2017 05:55 +0100, Pablo Wolter <<a href="mailto:pwolter@gmail.com">pwolter@gmail.com</a>>, wrote:<br>
><br>
> I also think this will depend. I saw some translation for END into Spanish<br>
> in a class and it just made harder for me to memorize it for the exam. So I<br>
> personally prefer to leave some terms just in English or the mnemonic and<br>
> the detailed explanation translated or explained<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 20:47 Miika Turkia <<a href="mailto:miika.turkia@gmail.com">miika.turkia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Dirk Hohndel <<a href="mailto:dirk@hohndel.org">dirk@hohndel.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > One of the downsides of using GitHub is that a lot of discussions tends<br>
>> to<br>
>> > happen on the pull requests and only those that subscribe to those<br>
>> > notifications see those...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > E.g., on <a href="https://github.com/Subsurface-divelog/subsurface/pull/235" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/Subsurface-<wbr>divelog/subsurface/pull/235</a><br>
>> there<br>
>> > is a question about the universal understanding of MOD, END, divelog,<br>
>> > divespot, setpoint...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Should those be translated at all?<br>
>><br>
>> I am quite sure it depends on the language. I.e. divelog and divespot<br>
>> I would translate, but MOD, END and setpoint I would not, unless<br>
>> someone who is familiar with Finnish diving vocabulary tells me what<br>
>> they actually should be.<br>
>><br>
>> > My experience leads me to believe that they SHOULD be translated because<br>
>> > there seem to be a lot of divers who aren't familiar with the English<br>
>> > terms and English abbreviations.<br>
>><br>
>> Having them as translatable strings gives the translator the freedom<br>
>> to do as he please. I.e. I have just copied over some of the terms and<br>
>> translated those that I have good terms in Finnish. I have to admit<br>
>> that it was a problem before I realized that I can do just that.<br>
>> Anyway, I am quite certain that in some languages it makes sense to<br>
>> translate them and in some others it does not.<br>
>><br>
>> > What do people here on the list who aren't diving in an English speaking<br>
>> > context think about that statement?<br>
>><br>
>> Unfortunately I am not familiar at all with the Finnish diving<br>
>> vocabulary at all, so I wouldn't trust myself too heavily in whatever<br>
>> I stated above :D<br>
>><br>
>> miika<br>
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