<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div>Dirk,<br/>
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I appreciate all you have written. And yes, I know Internet privacy is a total illusion. I also appreciate that you wrote most, if not all, of the code.<br/>
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I was in IT for 30 plus years. Java programmer and C and C++ before that. Oracle DBA, sql, etc, etc.<br/>
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I know what you have written is not trivial.<br/>
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I'm a Realtor now for various reasons including the Obama administration cutting our project funds 10%.<br/>
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So we all use code none of us has seen. We have no idea what is in bash, vim, Libre Office, or any of the myriad of programs in Linux or any other OS. Microsoft certainly has many leaks and purposeful data mining built in to Win 10.<br/>
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I am not accusing you or anyone of anything nefarious. <br/>
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I will consider my options. If I can store locally as well as syncing to your server, then I will probably do so.<br/>
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Anyway, thank you for your code skills, your time, and your patience.<br/>
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My humble thanks,<br/>
John<br/>
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<font color="#888888"><font color="#888888">Sent from my android device.</font></font><br/><br/>-----Original Message-----<br/>From: Dirk Hohndel <dirk@hohndel.org><br/>To: John Griffiths <stuff.jrg02@grifent.com><br/>Cc: Subsurface Mailing List <subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org><br/>Sent: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 8:00 PM<br/>Subject: Re: Subsurface-mobile<br/><br/></div><div class="">The cloud data is not mined, there is no cost, there are no ads, no one has access </div><div class="">to your data with the exception of me, and I have never accessed any of those data </div><div class="">without first getting explicit invitation to look by the owner (which usually happens </div><div class="">when I'm trying to help someone recover lost data or when debugging an issue).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I seriously have no interest in where you dive, who you dive with, etc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But you are of course right - the only way the stock Android binary currently</div><div class="">allows sharing of data is through our storage service.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now here's an interesting question to ask yourself. The binary that you run</div><div class="">on your machine was most likely built by me (assuming you are on Windows</div><div class="">or Mac or are using one of the other 25+ binaries that I create for each release).</div><div class="">So unless you are indeed building Subsurface from source AND have read</div><div class="">the sources and verified that it doesn't do anything nefarious... if I actually</div><div class="">really cared about knowing your dive data... are you sure that Subsurface hasn't</div><div class="">already sent that data to me?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course it hasn't. Because I don't care. But I always find it interesting</div><div class="">that people happily run my binaries on their system, but using the storage</div><div class="">that I provide to them for free (btw: it costs me money to provide that</div><div class="">storage) - no, that's too much of a privacy issue.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Again - I really don't care if you use the cloud storage. It's just one of those</div><div class="">things that I have always found strange...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">/D</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, John Griffiths <<a href="mailto:stuff.jrg02@grifent.com" class="">stuff.jrg02@grifent.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">True. I have not. So the gist is the web service and the cloud server are independent. <br class="">
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In order to use Subsurface-mobile, I have upload all my dive data to a server.<br class="">
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Or I can continue to use local storage and the companion app.<br class="">
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I know there is no such thing as privacy anymore, but I like to maintain the illusion. I store and backup on my own servers. Don't like putting more than I absolutely have to on the Internet.<br class="">
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Thanks for all the helpful discussion. <br class="">
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<font color="#888888" class=""><font color="#888888" class="">Sent from my android device.</font></font><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Miika Turkia <<a href="mailto:miika.turkia@gmail.com" class="">miika.turkia@gmail.com</a>><br class="">To: John Griffiths <<a href="mailto:stuff.jrg02@grifent.com" class="">stuff.jrg02@grifent.com</a>><br class="">Cc: Dirk Hohndel <<a href="mailto:dirk@hohndel.org" class="">dirk@hohndel.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org" class="">subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org</a><br class="">Sent: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 7:43 PM<br class="">Subject: Re: Subsurface-mobile<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class="">Have you saved the dives to cloud from subsurface desktop? Sounds like you might ne saving to local file only.</div><div class=""><br class="">On 27 Jul 2017, at 16.40, John Griffiths <<a href="mailto:stuff.jrg02@grifent.com" class="">stuff.jrg02@grifent.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">I use Subsurface desktop to store my dives.<br class="">
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When I log in following the link using the email and password, I get:<br class="">
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Not Found<br class="">
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The requested URL /user/<a href="mailto:stuff.jrg02@grifent.com" class="">stuff.jrg02@grifent.com</a>/dives.html was not found on this server.<br class="">
Apache/2.4.25 (Ubuntu) Server at <a href="http://cloud.subsurface-divelog.org/" class="">cloud.subsurface-divelog.org</a> Port 443<br class="">
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<font color="#888888" class=""><font color="#888888" class="">Sent from my android device.</font></font><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Dirk Hohndel <<a href="mailto:dirk@hohndel.org" class="">dirk@hohndel.org</a>><br class="">To: John Griffiths <<a href="mailto:stuff.jrg02@grifent.com" class="">stuff.jrg02@grifent.com</a>><br class="">Cc: <a href="mailto:subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org" class="">subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org</a><br class="">Sent: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 7:24 PM<br class="">Subject: Re: Subsurface-mobile<br class=""><br class=""></div>The Subsurface Storage Server and the webservice are completely unrelated.
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How are you storing the dives on your desktop? Can you see them when you log into <a href="https://cloud.subsurface-divelog.org/" class="">https://cloud.subsurface-divelog.org</a> ?
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> On Jul 27, 2017, at 4:11 PM, John Griffiths <<a href="mailto:stuff.jrg02@grifent.com" class="">stuff.jrg02@grifent.com</a>> wrote:
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> Help.
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> I installed Subsurface-mobile.
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> It asked for my email and password and then sent me a PIN.
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> Problem is none of my dives are populated.
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> When I first started using Subsurface, I got a user name / password and
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> a user ID. The user ID still works and retrieves my dives.
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> I read the user manual on cloud credentials; no help.
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> So how do I get the "Cloud" ( I hate that term. Why can we just call it
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> what it is; a server bank on the Internet?) and the web service that
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> John
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> On 07/27/2017 03:21 PM, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
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>>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Griffiths <<a href="mailto:stuff.jrg02@grifent.com" class="">stuff.jrg02@grifent.com</a>> wrote:
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>>> But for those that got the companion app when it was the only app, there
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>>> is no reason to go back to Google to see the warning.
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>> Very good point.
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>> /D
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