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<p>Hallo Robert, hello Willem,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 02.01.2018 um 15:24 schrieb Robert
Helling:<br>
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<div class="">On 2. Jan 2018, at 14:53, Stefan Fuchs <<a
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!important;" class="">I am personally interested in this
topic so I started to play with your patch and this is
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!important;" class="">- +1 for implementing<span
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!important;" class="">- Ok with choosing this 5% rule of
thumbs from IANTD unless someone clearly shows us that
there is a MUCH better approach or e.g. a kind of
2nd/3rd/... limit we could consider additionally</span><br
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!important;" class="">- No real idea where else we could
put this code other than in the plannernotes.c</span><br
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!important;" class="">Ok, this was the easy part, now
the more difficult items:</span><br style="font-family:
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!important;" class="">- I already expected people to
give negative feedback regarding cluttering the
UI/output - and I would have understood this.</span><br
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!important;" class="">Always adding this additional
column in the dive plan table with some complex info
which is needed by almost nobody really doesn't look
that nice. So we need to look for a clever solution for
this. I already see a few options:</span><br
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!important;" class="">x Only show this column for Tx
dives (not too difficult but still it could happen that
s.o. want's NOT to see the info)</span><br
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!important;" class="">x Prefs option to switch it on/off
(yeah, also cluttering the UI)</span><br
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!important;" class="">x Don't print ICD info into
plan/table but only show it as a tool tip when hovering
over the gas in the plan (complex, maybe even not
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<div class="">I also like the idea of displaying the info on ICD
(and I am happy to hear that there is some sort of limit that at
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Yeah, surprisingly already two or maybe even three people feel ok
with the same solution ;-)<br>
BTW, it's the rule of "1/5", not as I accidentally wrote the rule of
"5%".<br>
Honestly I didn't hear of this rule until Willem mentioned it. But I
simply say "ok for me" because:<br>
- IANTD afaik is not the least important tech diving association ;-)<br>
- What I read about this rule of thumbs on the web makes sense<br>
- The results simply fit together with my knowledge of what is a OK
gas combination and what is a NOT OK gas combination regarding ICD<br>
(not too difficult for me because the only two Tx bottom mix I
"know" are Tx21/35 and Tx18/45 and I know that EAN50 as 1st deco gas
is OK together with the Tx21/35 but NOT OK with the Tx18/45)<br>
- Implementing the "rule" itself will finally maybe even not be the
most important/interesting part but showing dN2% and dHe% is much
more interesting - BTW, yes, I would also print dHe%<br>
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<div class="">I am not sure, the dive notes/written dive plan are
the best location for the display, though, in particular since
those notes are supposed to be printed on wet notes (and during
the dive this is not relevant information). Wouldn’t it be
better to make this an event in the profile or modify the gas
change event accordingly (including the percentage information
and maybe using a different icon if the change is above the
threshold)? <br>
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Yes, goes on the list of possible solutions. But also Willems latest
proposal should go on the list.<br>
And then we need to fill the decision form - hopefully Dirk
installed a process for this - sorry, working in a large company for
too long time already... ;-)<br>
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Best regards<br>
Stefan<br>
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