<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:55 PM, Robert Helling <<a href="mailto:helling@lmu.de" class="">helling@lmu.de</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">yesterday, I had an hour of time and I played around with an idea that I would like to get some feedback on (I already showed it to my wife and she absolutely hated it).</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I love your honesty here :-)</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">The idea is not to show the temperature as a function of time as we currently do it but rather plot it against depth. I find it much less interesting what the temperature was 28 minutes into the dive but rather want to know what was the temperature at 12m of depth and in particular like to see the positions of thermoclines. So here is a mock up:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="FD11EE6D-842F-4AC3-B9DE-3588740C61CA" width="312" height="240" class="" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:24D1E786-371B-46A3-B181-F51677C2FAF1@fritz.box"></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The way you are supposed to look at it is that depth is depth but the time axis for this plot becomes the temperature axis (currently the scale is chosen that minutes coincide with degrees centigrade).</div><div class="">What you are supposed to see is that above about 15m of depth the water constantly has about 12 degrees thanks to mixing by wind etc. Below that, there is a thermocline and then the temperature goes down continuously. Apparently, I measured slightly different temperatures on the way down and up but that is probably due to a time delay in the sensor to take up temperature readings.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is the same dive in the traditional view:</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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