<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 7, 2020, at 1:54 AM, Robert Helling <<a href="mailto:helling@atdotde.de" class="">helling@atdotde.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dirk,<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 6. Mar 2020, at 23:52, Dirk Hohndel via subsurface <<a href="mailto:subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org" class="">subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">The biggest difference is, of course, that a simple 'reply' is no longer going</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">to the author of the email that you are responding to, but to the whole</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">list...</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">hmm, I am not sure this is the only difference: In the apple mail reader for example, this thread now looks like </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="327031F3-043B-4220-A149-F1AC91364B50" class="" width="248" height="499" src="cid:245A6B80-D3A6-4884-A06D-5810B905D28F@fritz.box"></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Not sure which "Apple Mail Reader" you are referring to. Here's Mail.app:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><img apple-inline="yes" id="7EC50A7B-89C2-4D6F-8FA0-ADF763D89EA1" width="415" height="473" src="cid:B5DFB802-5C8B-435B-AE82-2467E0A97E54" class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>So this is definitely an issue of your mail reader doing something wrong.</div><div>I've tried this with two Android mail readers, the mail reader on my iPad and Mail.app on my Mac. In all cases I get the name of the sender. This must be a specific setting that you have (likely you opted for "show address before name" or something like that)</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">That is, you cannot tell anymore who wrote that message (the xxx via subsurface <<a href="mailto:subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org" class="">subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org</a>> appears above quotes, though), in particular since many people don’t sign their messages with their name. I think, this is worse than people with misconfigured DMARK and DKIM cannot post to the mailing list (note that the problem is on the sender side since those people have too strict rules when posting to mailing lists, not on the receivers’ end). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you really want to rewrite from addresses, rather rewrite <a href="mailto:joe.dorfnuts@mysetupisbroken.com" class="">joe.dorfnuts@mysetupisbroken.com</a> to <a href="mailto:joe@mysetupisbroken.com.invalid" class="">joe@mysetupisbroken.com.invalid</a>-removeme</div></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>I respectfully disagree. DMARC and DKIM are well established and useful. And most mailing lists handle this in one of three ways: ignore (what I did until yesterday) and have it fail for users, rewrite from header (what I am doing now), or wrap emails in new envelopes (which looks really ugly, IMHO, and does actually cause the problem that you describe here "for real", i.e. without an easy workaround.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>/D</div><br class=""></body></html>