Cylinder management / edit

Mon Jul 14 05:23:11 PDT 2014

Sorry I sent the an incomplete email. I change the subject
Hi Miika,

Thank you for the reply but despite of the fact that everybody continue
repeating me that I can not delete a cylinder that is in use the logic
behind the cylinder is obscure to me.
I tried several times with no luck.

>From an end user POV:

I haven't single gas dives. Imagine I have a dive with D8,5 filled with
30/30 and Al40 with 100%.

#1 I download a dive and if I have no default bottle, that equipment tab is
not empty, it contains a unknown type bottle.
#2 I download a dive and if I have a default bottle, that equipment tab is
filled with that.

In the case #1 instead to modify the "unkonwn" cylinder, I add that two
cylinders: D8,5 & Al40.
After this I cannot delete anymore the "unknown" cylinder because it's in
use.
By who?
I tried to add a gas switch to 100% but it's not clear which gas I'm using
before the gas switch.
My logbook is full of dives with "unknown" bottles because I discovered the
default bottle after importing a lot of them.

Another strange point of the editing process is that whenever I click on
the left panels I get the "this dive is being edited" alert that is really
annoying. (I would like to select a field just for copy/paste reasons)
while if add a gas switch to the same dive there's no alert. But I'm
modifying that dive.

Davide

PS
If that beahviour is a bug I'll file a ticket to trac.

2014-07-14 14:15 GMT+02:00 Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com>:

> Hi Miika,
>
> Thank you for the reply but despite of the fact that everybody continue
> repeating me that I can not delete a cylinder that is in use the logic
> behind the cylinder is obscure to me.
> I tried several times with no luck.
>
> From an end user POV:
>
> I haven't single gas dives. Imagine I have a dive with D8,5 filled with
> 30/30 and Al40 with 100%.
>
> #1 I download a dive and if I have no default bottle, that equipment tab
> is not empty, it contains a unknown type bottle.
> #2 I download a dive and if I have a default bottle, that equipment tab is
> filled with that.
>
> In the case #1 instead to modify the "unkonwn" cylinder, I add that two
> cylinders: D8,5 & Al40.
> After this I cannot delete anymore the "unknown" cylinder because it's in
> use.
> By who?
> I tried to add a gas switch to 100% but
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2014-07-14 13:31 GMT+02:00 Miika Turkia <miika.turkia at gmail.com>:
>
> You can not delete a cylinder that is in use. As you said, you used 21/35
>> and 50%, these both cylinders are shown on the equipment properly as they
>> were used during the dive.
>>
>> However, the dive info tab is buggy. There is clearly a bug in there when
>> diving with multiple cylinders and multiple dive computers. The 21/35 is
>> missing from there.
>>
>> To test this, I deleted manually the second dive computer from the XML
>> file and now the dive info tab shows gas consumption for both gases as
>> shown in the attached screenshot. I am still wondering if this is correct
>> as the SAC is unbelievable low, but it does reflect to the start and end
>> pressures shown on equipment tab.
>>
>> miika
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dirk,
>>> Did you check the xml I sent?
>>>
>>> Again, how I can remove a bottle from the bottle panel?
>>> Should I add a fake gas change? As end user this part It's really a
>>> nightmare and I don't get useful info from the manual.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-07-10 17:10 GMT+02:00 Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi Dirk,
>>>>
>>>> I think I understood: while I was copying the entire dive I realized
>>>> this dive has two profiles with two computers in it.
>>>> Very strange. The only way I could imagine this mix is:
>>>> I imported this dive from my buddy computer.
>>>> Later I download other dives from my suunto and I had on it the same
>>>> dive...
>>>>
>>>> Attached the xml file and two screenshot of what I see. Basically I
>>>> used a 21/35 and 50% for deco but on the dive info I see only the EAN50 but
>>>> I see 0 liter for the phantom 21/35.
>>>>
>>>> [image: Immagine in linea 1]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Immagine in linea 2]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-07-10 16:57 GMT+02:00 Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org>:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:08:32PM +0200, Davide DB wrote:
>>>>> > I downgraded to 4.1 and gas mix is still not there.
>>>>> > I took some backups but again gas mix for this dive is still not
>>>>> there.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I tried to compare xml files but I d not see obvious
>>>>> differences/errors.
>>>>> > Any idea why I'm getting this?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thank you in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I got lost in this somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you attach the XML for one dive that shows the problem. Describe
>>>>> what
>>>>> you expect to see (and why) and what you are seeing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> /D
>>>>>
>>>>> > 2014-07-09 16:16 GMT+02:00 Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com>:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Images?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I got backups.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > This is what I see on this dive:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > two tanks and gas used. One gas switch but a phantom gas with no
>>>>> name e
>>>>> > > zero gas used.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > 2014-07-09 16:02 GMT+02:00 Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org>:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 04:24:36PM +0300, Miika Turkia wrote:
>>>>> > >> > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > > Can I downgrade from 4.1.379 to official 4.1 without braking
>>>>> my
>>>>> > >> logbook?
>>>>> > >> > > I just realized that some dives have correct bottle info
>>>>> saved but
>>>>> > >> CAS and
>>>>> > >> > > gas used doesn't appear on the information panel.
>>>>> > >> > >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Should work fine. Of course, when using development versions,
>>>>> you should
>>>>> > >> > keep a backup (or version control) of your log file. But I have
>>>>> not
>>>>> > >> noticed
>>>>> > >> > any problems when mixing use of 4.1 and devel versions.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Picture support has changed (but Subsurface ignores tags it
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> > >> understand). So if you stored pictures with the development
>>>>> version, you
>>>>> > >> won't see them in 4.1 and after storing the file again with 4.1
>>>>> they will
>>>>> > >> be lost.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> In general I can only stress what Miika said - make backups
>>>>> BEFORE using
>>>>> > >> development versions and have a close eye on changes to the XML
>>>>> file. We
>>>>> > >> have been known to seriously break things and to lose information
>>>>> in dive
>>>>> > >> files. We obviously try no to, but it does happen.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> /D
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > > Davide
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Davide
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Davide
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> --
> Davide
>

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Davide
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