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Fri Jul 25 05:34:19 PDT 2014

I think I found another bug on cylinder management.

I downloaded three multi cylinder dives and I got again a phanthom default
cylinder not shoving based on my edit/fill sequence. I corrupted the
logbook on two of them :(

I'll report soon the wrong sequence.

I hope fix #622 will solve this.

Bye

2014-07-14 14:35 GMT+02:00 Miika Turkia <miika.turkia at gmail.com>:

> The "unknown" cylinder is implicitly used, as it is considered to be the
> gas you started the dive with. If you want to get rid of that, you will
> have to create a gas change event to one of the new cylinders at the
> beginning of the dive. Then the first gas is considered to be the new one
> and not the 'unknown' and the 'unknown' can be removed. There is no gas
> change event displayed for the first gas of the dive (unless manually
> added), so it is a bit hard to grasp the "concept". I suggest setting the
> first gas change somewhere between 0 and 10 seconds from the start of the
> dive. If you set it before the dive started, then it won't work. I agree
> that the user interface is not very good for this...
>
> miika
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Miika,
>>
>> Thank you for the reply but despite of the fact that everybody continue
>> repeating me that I can not delete a cylinder that is in use the logic
>> behind the cylinder is obscure to me.
>> I tried several times with no luck.
>>
>> From an end user POV:
>>
>> I haven't single gas dives. Imagine I have a dive with D8,5 filled with
>> 30/30 and Al40 with 100%.
>>
>> #1 I download a dive and if I have no default bottle, that equipment tab
>> is not empty, it contains a unknown type bottle.
>> #2 I download a dive and if I have a default bottle, that equipment tab
>> is filled with that.
>>
>> In the case #1 instead to modify the "unkonwn" cylinder, I add that two
>> cylinders: D8,5 & Al40.
>> After this I cannot delete anymore the "unknown" cylinder because it's in
>> use.
>> By who?
>> I tried to add a gas switch to 100% but
>>
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>> 2014-07-14 13:31 GMT+02:00 Miika Turkia <miika.turkia at gmail.com>:
>>
>> You can not delete a cylinder that is in use. As you said, you used 21/35
>>> and 50%, these both cylinders are shown on the equipment properly as they
>>> were used during the dive.
>>>
>>> However, the dive info tab is buggy. There is clearly a bug in there
>>> when diving with multiple cylinders and multiple dive computers. The 21/35
>>> is missing from there.
>>>
>>> To test this, I deleted manually the second dive computer from the XML
>>> file and now the dive info tab shows gas consumption for both gases as
>>> shown in the attached screenshot. I am still wondering if this is correct
>>> as the SAC is unbelievable low, but it does reflect to the start and end
>>> pressures shown on equipment tab.
>>>
>>> miika
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dirk,
>>>> Did you check the xml I sent?
>>>>
>>>> Again, how I can remove a bottle from the bottle panel?
>>>> Should I add a fake gas change? As end user this part It's really a
>>>> nightmare and I don't get useful info from the manual.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-07-10 17:10 GMT+02:00 Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dirk,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I understood: while I was copying the entire dive I realized
>>>>> this dive has two profiles with two computers in it.
>>>>> Very strange. The only way I could imagine this mix is:
>>>>> I imported this dive from my buddy computer.
>>>>> Later I download other dives from my suunto and I had on it the same
>>>>> dive...
>>>>>
>>>>> Attached the xml file and two screenshot of what I see. Basically I
>>>>> used a 21/35 and 50% for deco but on the dive info I see only the EAN50 but
>>>>> I see 0 liter for the phantom 21/35.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Immagine in linea 1]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Immagine in linea 2]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-07-10 16:57 GMT+02:00 Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:08:32PM +0200, Davide DB wrote:
>>>>>> > I downgraded to 4.1 and gas mix is still not there.
>>>>>> > I took some backups but again gas mix for this dive is still not
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I tried to compare xml files but I d not see obvious
>>>>>> differences/errors.
>>>>>> > Any idea why I'm getting this?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thank you in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I got lost in this somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you attach the XML for one dive that shows the problem. Describe
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> you expect to see (and why) and what you are seeing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > 2014-07-09 16:16 GMT+02:00 Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com>:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > Images?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I got backups.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > This is what I see on this dive:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > two tanks and gas used. One gas switch but a phantom gas with no
>>>>>> name e
>>>>>> > > zero gas used.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > 2014-07-09 16:02 GMT+02:00 Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org>:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 04:24:36PM +0300, Miika Turkia wrote:
>>>>>> > >> > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> > > Can I downgrade from 4.1.379 to official 4.1 without braking
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> > >> logbook?
>>>>>> > >> > > I just realized that some dives have correct bottle info
>>>>>> saved but
>>>>>> > >> CAS and
>>>>>> > >> > > gas used doesn't appear on the information panel.
>>>>>> > >> > >
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> > Should work fine. Of course, when using development versions,
>>>>>> you should
>>>>>> > >> > keep a backup (or version control) of your log file. But I
>>>>>> have not
>>>>>> > >> noticed
>>>>>> > >> > any problems when mixing use of 4.1 and devel versions.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Picture support has changed (but Subsurface ignores tags it
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> > >> understand). So if you stored pictures with the development
>>>>>> version, you
>>>>>> > >> won't see them in 4.1 and after storing the file again with 4.1
>>>>>> they will
>>>>>> > >> be lost.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> In general I can only stress what Miika said - make backups
>>>>>> BEFORE using
>>>>>> > >> development versions and have a close eye on changes to the XML
>>>>>> file. We
>>>>>> > >> have been known to seriously break things and to lose
>>>>>> information in dive
>>>>>> > >> files. We obviously try no to, but it does happen.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> /D
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > --
>>>>>> > > Davide
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > Davide
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Davide
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Davide
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Davide
>>
>
>

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Davide
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