Subsurface Statistics Panel

Sat Mar 12 11:56:48 PST 2016

back on this thread after so long.
(sorry davide, I focused on other stuff primarely, but now I'm back.)

I'm following a few wireframes here but mostly I think that the interaction
is somewhat complex from what your sketches showed.

I'll try to do something with them - and post some pictures for comment.

Tomaz

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some more wireframes for DDS (depth Duration and SAC)
>
> Depth
>
> http://i.imgur.com/6d1eF4N.png
>
> Duration
>
> http://i.imgur.com/QQV3qAX.png
>
> SAC
>
> http://i.imgur.com/dLjyt9K.png
>
> A couple of dumb pie charts for DC model and dive type:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/kR3Rd9d.png
>
> http://i.imgur.com/q342io0.png
>
>
> Bye
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It is missing? I don't think so. At least I can see it in Subsurface 4.4
> >> Did you check?
> >>
> >
> > My fault :)
> > I was looking too much to other logbooks and I miss it!
> >
> >> > In the last weeks I tested several desktop and online logbooks. When
> it
> >> > comes to statistics most of them have an "All you can eat" approach
> >> > displaying tons of charts although only few of them being meaningful.
> >> > Here I selected those I find more useful (IMHO). A rose is a rose
> hence
> >> > it's difficult to be original on some of them.
> >>
> >> The biggest problem to me is that more is not always better. Every new
> >> tab, every new graph, every new statistic adds more code, more bugs,
> more
> >> testing...
> >>
> >
> > I agree with you
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > *Overall/General/Outline*
> >> >
> >> > http://i.imgur.com/sDGavon.png
> >> >
> >> > Nearly all logbooks have a Overall view giving general statistics on
> the
> >> > logbook owner so we can't be different on this :)
> >>
> >> Actually, yes we can, but I'll go along with you...
> >>
> >> > Actually it's similar to the current "stats" tab.
> >> > I did not try to layout labels right now. It's just a list of what we
> >> > could
> >> > have here:
> >> >
> >> >    - Num of dives (where/when)
> >> >    - Total  time diving (where/when)
> >> >    - Max / Min duration (where/when)
> >> >    - Max / Min depth (where/when)
> >> >    - Max / Min temperature (where/when)
> >>
> >> What does "where/when" mean in all of those?
> >
> >
> > e.g.
> >
> > 574 dives - latest: Barracuda Point on 15/01/2015
> >
> > Max dive runtime at Block Island on 13/07/2012
> > Min dive runtime at Frozen Reeff on 13/07/2010
> >
> > And so on.
> > Where/when on total time diving is a copy&paste error
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >    - Most dove spot/location
> >> >    - Average depth & average time
> >>
> >> Define average depth, please. Is this the mean depth of all the dives,
> or
> >> the mean of the max depths of all the dives? We've had this confusion
> >> before...
> >
> >
> > I guess  mean depth of all the dives.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> >    - How many trips
> >> >    - Most used tank
> >> >    -
> >> >    - Total amount of gas used:
> >> >       - Air: xxx
> >> >       - He: yyy
> >> >       - O2: zzz
> >> >
> >> > Based on space available we could use the lowest part of this panel
> view
> >> > to
> >> > draw a chart...(the time goes by chart described later)
> >>
> >> I think this is already a ton of information... and I worry about text
> >> only information as we have it on the stats tab. This often results in a
> >> very hard to absorb UI. So that's why I said above "we can decide not to
> >> have this 'overview'".
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree that mixing  text info and a chart is not the best solution.
> > This is the classic entry point for statistics. It's like a scuba CV with
> > outline data.
> > All logbooks desktop/online have something like this and some divers use
> > this like a badge.
> > This outline screen would be the best candidate for social network
> > integration or even  a front-page of html export.
> >
> > Please do not touch the Anton's overall gas info of which I'm particulary
> > fond of :)
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > *Map View*
> >> >
> >> > http://i.imgur.com/o8IP4Ho.png
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I took this idea form an online logbook (diveaboard.com) and I saw
> this
> >> > bubbles in other google maps based projects. (a local newspaper here
> in
> >> > Italy use the same bubbles to display news location).
> >> > Basically it gives you the concentration of your dives. Each color
> >> > bubble
> >> > indicate/aggregates a number-of-dives range. I do not know if this is
> >> > possible with Marble/Openstreetmap.
> >> > Bubbles scales according to the map zoom. I can give you more examples
> >> > if
> >> > you are interested.
> >>
> >> This is a very cool visualization. I really like it. Definitely want
> this
> >> one.
> >>
> >> > Once you zoom-in after a certain scale you get a single dive spot view
> >> > like
> >> > our current Marble map.
> >>
> >> Yes!
> >>
> >> > We are not editing dives here so it would be nice that once I hoover
> on
> >> > a
> >> > given dive spot I get a small box with main dive details.
> >>
> >> What happens if there are many dives at that spot?
> >
> >
> > Try for yourself:
> >
> > http://www.diveboard.com/explore
> >
> > I think they have a fixd zoom setting where they show the real data on
> the
> > map layer.
> >
> > THis is a news site:
> >
> > http://roma.repubblica.it/static/rep-locali/rep-roma/mappa-notizie/
> >
> > Maybe it is a google map api
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > *Time goes by view*
> >> >
> >> > http://i.imgur.com/ybpmZ2e.png
> >> >
> >> > Despite of the funny name I gave it this is maybe the most classical
> >> > statistic view: number of dives through the time.
> >> >
> >> > I saw many logbooks wasting screens using two separate graphs for
> months
> >> > and years.
> >> >
> >> > I would like having just one chart which mimics sparklines charts:
> micro
> >> > columns/bar charts.
> >> > I show two examples of what I mean. (one is the Soundcloud chart).
> >> >
> >> > Our chart would have:
> >> >
> >> > - Each mont is one bar., one year 12 bars
> >> > - Months are grouped by year using alternate colors: (two shades of
> >> > gray)
> >> > 12 months light gray and 12 months dark gray.
> >> > - Max/Min values (month with most/least dives and year with most/least
> >> > dives) are indicated by special colors as in the example.
> >> > - We could give extra info just hoovering on bars and having a info
> box
> >> > like the current dive profile.
> >>
> >> WOW. That's a lot of work to implement. And except for people who dive
> >> every week... who would really get much out of this? Maybe I'm
> mis-judging
> >> our average user, but I'm not convinced this is all that interesting and
> >> it would be a lot, lot, lot of work and a lot of bug fixing and what
> not.
> >
> >
> > Ok. That was my try to have a lot of info in one place.
> > I will try to sketch it.
> > divelogs.de and diving log have separate charts for this
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > - Some of overall stats tab could be moved here and indicated by a bar
> >> > of a
> >> > special color.
> >> > - This chart could be moved in the overall tab lowest position.
> >> >
> >> > *DDS view (Depth, Duration, SAC)*
> >> >
> >> > http://i.imgur.com/7uXP6qS.png
> >> >
> >> > Most of logbooks use have 5 charts (at least) for this view plotting
> >> > depth
> >> > and duration both on x and y-axis...
> >> >
> >> > IMHO having depth and duration on y-axis is completely meaningless
> while
> >> > having them on x-axis is useful.
> >> >
> >> > SAC is the only stats is worth having on x-axis showing evoluton os
> gas
> >> > consumption through experience.
> >> >
> >> > I would like having just one chart. On the wireframe I draw two charts
> >> > just
> >> > to show the difference on X-Y axis.
> >>
> >> I'd like to see more example pictures of what you want here... this has
> >> often been requested, and certainly the depth and duration charts seem
> >> obvious and easy to do.
> >>
> >
> > Ok, I'll try
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > *Pie view*
> >> >
> >> > http://i.imgur.com/D0fAH8I.png
> >> >
> >> > Whatever can be represented by a pie chart should go here.
> >> > I found:
> >> >
> >> >    - Deco/Curve
> >> >    - Ripetitive dive Y/n
> >> >    - Sea/Fresh water dive
> >> >    - OC/CCR/PSCR/Free dive
> >> >    - DC Model
> >> >    - Countries
> >> >
> >>
> >> Umm, I need a lot more examples to understand what this is supposed to
> be.
> >> What does "Deco/Curve" mean? A lot of these seem like "fluff". I don't
> >> mean this in a bad way, I just think that the incremental use vs.
> >> incremental effort don't look promising.
> >
> >
> > A pie chart showing percentage of "new dives" against repetitive dives
> > You dive with 5 DC but what is the percentage of use of all your dc in
> you
> > career?
> >
> > I agree with your concerns (I'm not a developer :) )
> > Actually the whole statistics concept applied to our diving log is
> somewhat
> > a "fluff".
> > It's like a selfie.
> > An hedonistic approach to click and see how I'm good at mixed with
> > anal-retentive thinking :)
> > I think that people who dive only in two/three trips in a year don't log
> > their dives but maybe I'm wrong.
> > If you do not dive often why you should spend/wasting your time compiling
> > logbooks?
> > I saw that a lot of technical divers los their dives, specially reb
> divers.
> > My buddies uploaded their dives to divelogs just to see their statistics.
> >
> > Would be nice having a better understanding of the average dive-logger
> joe
> > :)
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > Based on filter selection some statistics charts could be impossible
> to
> >> > calculate or display.
> >> > UI should take care to disable that views that lacks of meaning.
> >>
> >> Can you give examples?
> >
> >
> >
> > I was not clear, sorry. I meant that if you filter only few or even one
> > dive, what do you pretend to see?
> >
> > Bye
> >
> > --
> > Davide
> > https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos
>
>
>
> --
> Davide
> https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos
>
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