Subsurface Statistics Panel

Davide DB dbdavide at gmail.com
Thu Mar 17 11:34:44 PDT 2016 

Hi Tomaz,

I'm reading your mail right now. Sorry or this. I completely lost of
sight Subsurface because I'm under pressure with my job.

I promise you I will try to study again my ideas of one year ago and I
will give a feedback asap.

Bye

On 12 March 2016 at 20:56, Tomaz Canabrava <tcanabrava at kde.org> wrote:
> back on this thread after so long.
> (sorry davide, I focused on other stuff primarely, but now I'm back.)
>
> I'm following a few wireframes here but mostly I think that the interaction
> is somewhat complex from what your sketches showed.
>
> I'll try to do something with them - and post some pictures for comment.
>
> Tomaz
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Some more wireframes for DDS (depth Duration and SAC)
>>
>> Depth
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/6d1eF4N.png
>>
>> Duration
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/QQV3qAX.png
>>
>> SAC
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/dLjyt9K.png
>>
>> A couple of dumb pie charts for DC model and dive type:
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/kR3Rd9d.png
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/q342io0.png
>>
>>
>> Bye
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Davide DB <dbdavide at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Dirk Hohndel <dirk at hohndel.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It is missing? I don't think so. At least I can see it in Subsurface
>> >> 4.4
>> >> Did you check?
>> >>
>> >
>> > My fault :)
>> > I was looking too much to other logbooks and I miss it!
>> >
>> >> > In the last weeks I tested several desktop and online logbooks. When
>> >> > it
>> >> > comes to statistics most of them have an "All you can eat" approach
>> >> > displaying tons of charts although only few of them being meaningful.
>> >> > Here I selected those I find more useful (IMHO). A rose is a rose
>> >> > hence
>> >> > it's difficult to be original on some of them.
>> >>
>> >> The biggest problem to me is that more is not always better. Every new
>> >> tab, every new graph, every new statistic adds more code, more bugs,
>> >> more
>> >> testing...
>> >>
>> >
>> > I agree with you
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > *Overall/General/Outline*
>> >> >
>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/sDGavon.png
>> >> >
>> >> > Nearly all logbooks have a Overall view giving general statistics on
>> >> > the
>> >> > logbook owner so we can't be different on this :)
>> >>
>> >> Actually, yes we can, but I'll go along with you...
>> >>
>> >> > Actually it's similar to the current "stats" tab.
>> >> > I did not try to layout labels right now. It's just a list of what we
>> >> > could
>> >> > have here:
>> >> >
>> >> >    - Num of dives (where/when)
>> >> >    - Total  time diving (where/when)
>> >> >    - Max / Min duration (where/when)
>> >> >    - Max / Min depth (where/when)
>> >> >    - Max / Min temperature (where/when)
>> >>
>> >> What does "where/when" mean in all of those?
>> >
>> >
>> > e.g.
>> >
>> > 574 dives - latest: Barracuda Point on 15/01/2015
>> >
>> > Max dive runtime at Block Island on 13/07/2012
>> > Min dive runtime at Frozen Reeff on 13/07/2010
>> >
>> > And so on.
>> > Where/when on total time diving is a copy&paste error
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >    - Most dove spot/location
>> >> >    - Average depth & average time
>> >>
>> >> Define average depth, please. Is this the mean depth of all the dives,
>> >> or
>> >> the mean of the max depths of all the dives? We've had this confusion
>> >> before...
>> >
>> >
>> > I guess  mean depth of all the dives.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >    - How many trips
>> >> >    - Most used tank
>> >> >    -
>> >> >    - Total amount of gas used:
>> >> >       - Air: xxx
>> >> >       - He: yyy
>> >> >       - O2: zzz
>> >> >
>> >> > Based on space available we could use the lowest part of this panel
>> >> > view
>> >> > to
>> >> > draw a chart...(the time goes by chart described later)
>> >>
>> >> I think this is already a ton of information... and I worry about text
>> >> only information as we have it on the stats tab. This often results in
>> >> a
>> >> very hard to absorb UI. So that's why I said above "we can decide not
>> >> to
>> >> have this 'overview'".
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I agree that mixing  text info and a chart is not the best solution.
>> > This is the classic entry point for statistics. It's like a scuba CV
>> > with
>> > outline data.
>> > All logbooks desktop/online have something like this and some divers use
>> > this like a badge.
>> > This outline screen would be the best candidate for social network
>> > integration or even  a front-page of html export.
>> >
>> > Please do not touch the Anton's overall gas info of which I'm
>> > particulary
>> > fond of :)
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > *Map View*
>> >> >
>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/o8IP4Ho.png
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I took this idea form an online logbook (diveaboard.com) and I saw
>> >> > this
>> >> > bubbles in other google maps based projects. (a local newspaper here
>> >> > in
>> >> > Italy use the same bubbles to display news location).
>> >> > Basically it gives you the concentration of your dives. Each color
>> >> > bubble
>> >> > indicate/aggregates a number-of-dives range. I do not know if this is
>> >> > possible with Marble/Openstreetmap.
>> >> > Bubbles scales according to the map zoom. I can give you more
>> >> > examples
>> >> > if
>> >> > you are interested.
>> >>
>> >> This is a very cool visualization. I really like it. Definitely want
>> >> this
>> >> one.
>> >>
>> >> > Once you zoom-in after a certain scale you get a single dive spot
>> >> > view
>> >> > like
>> >> > our current Marble map.
>> >>
>> >> Yes!
>> >>
>> >> > We are not editing dives here so it would be nice that once I hoover
>> >> > on
>> >> > a
>> >> > given dive spot I get a small box with main dive details.
>> >>
>> >> What happens if there are many dives at that spot?
>> >
>> >
>> > Try for yourself:
>> >
>> > http://www.diveboard.com/explore
>> >
>> > I think they have a fixd zoom setting where they show the real data on
>> > the
>> > map layer.
>> >
>> > THis is a news site:
>> >
>> > http://roma.repubblica.it/static/rep-locali/rep-roma/mappa-notizie/
>> >
>> > Maybe it is a google map api
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > *Time goes by view*
>> >> >
>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/ybpmZ2e.png
>> >> >
>> >> > Despite of the funny name I gave it this is maybe the most classical
>> >> > statistic view: number of dives through the time.
>> >> >
>> >> > I saw many logbooks wasting screens using two separate graphs for
>> >> > months
>> >> > and years.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like having just one chart which mimics sparklines charts:
>> >> > micro
>> >> > columns/bar charts.
>> >> > I show two examples of what I mean. (one is the Soundcloud chart).
>> >> >
>> >> > Our chart would have:
>> >> >
>> >> > - Each mont is one bar., one year 12 bars
>> >> > - Months are grouped by year using alternate colors: (two shades of
>> >> > gray)
>> >> > 12 months light gray and 12 months dark gray.
>> >> > - Max/Min values (month with most/least dives and year with
>> >> > most/least
>> >> > dives) are indicated by special colors as in the example.
>> >> > - We could give extra info just hoovering on bars and having a info
>> >> > box
>> >> > like the current dive profile.
>> >>
>> >> WOW. That's a lot of work to implement. And except for people who dive
>> >> every week... who would really get much out of this? Maybe I'm
>> >> mis-judging
>> >> our average user, but I'm not convinced this is all that interesting
>> >> and
>> >> it would be a lot, lot, lot of work and a lot of bug fixing and what
>> >> not.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ok. That was my try to have a lot of info in one place.
>> > I will try to sketch it.
>> > divelogs.de and diving log have separate charts for this
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > - Some of overall stats tab could be moved here and indicated by a
>> >> > bar
>> >> > of a
>> >> > special color.
>> >> > - This chart could be moved in the overall tab lowest position.
>> >> >
>> >> > *DDS view (Depth, Duration, SAC)*
>> >> >
>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/7uXP6qS.png
>> >> >
>> >> > Most of logbooks use have 5 charts (at least) for this view plotting
>> >> > depth
>> >> > and duration both on x and y-axis...
>> >> >
>> >> > IMHO having depth and duration on y-axis is completely meaningless
>> >> > while
>> >> > having them on x-axis is useful.
>> >> >
>> >> > SAC is the only stats is worth having on x-axis showing evoluton os
>> >> > gas
>> >> > consumption through experience.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like having just one chart. On the wireframe I draw two
>> >> > charts
>> >> > just
>> >> > to show the difference on X-Y axis.
>> >>
>> >> I'd like to see more example pictures of what you want here... this has
>> >> often been requested, and certainly the depth and duration charts seem
>> >> obvious and easy to do.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Ok, I'll try
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > *Pie view*
>> >> >
>> >> > http://i.imgur.com/D0fAH8I.png
>> >> >
>> >> > Whatever can be represented by a pie chart should go here.
>> >> > I found:
>> >> >
>> >> >    - Deco/Curve
>> >> >    - Ripetitive dive Y/n
>> >> >    - Sea/Fresh water dive
>> >> >    - OC/CCR/PSCR/Free dive
>> >> >    - DC Model
>> >> >    - Countries
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Umm, I need a lot more examples to understand what this is supposed to
>> >> be.
>> >> What does "Deco/Curve" mean? A lot of these seem like "fluff". I don't
>> >> mean this in a bad way, I just think that the incremental use vs.
>> >> incremental effort don't look promising.
>> >
>> >
>> > A pie chart showing percentage of "new dives" against repetitive dives
>> > You dive with 5 DC but what is the percentage of use of all your dc in
>> > you
>> > career?
>> >
>> > I agree with your concerns (I'm not a developer :) )
>> > Actually the whole statistics concept applied to our diving log is
>> > somewhat
>> > a "fluff".
>> > It's like a selfie.
>> > An hedonistic approach to click and see how I'm good at mixed with
>> > anal-retentive thinking :)
>> > I think that people who dive only in two/three trips in a year don't log
>> > their dives but maybe I'm wrong.
>> > If you do not dive often why you should spend/wasting your time
>> > compiling
>> > logbooks?
>> > I saw that a lot of technical divers los their dives, specially reb
>> > divers.
>> > My buddies uploaded their dives to divelogs just to see their
>> > statistics.
>> >
>> > Would be nice having a better understanding of the average dive-logger
>> > joe
>> > :)
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > Based on filter selection some statistics charts could be impossible
>> >> > to
>> >> > calculate or display.
>> >> > UI should take care to disable that views that lacks of meaning.
>> >>
>> >> Can you give examples?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I was not clear, sorry. I meant that if you filter only few or even one
>> > dive, what do you pretend to see?
>> >
>> > Bye
>> >
>> > --
>> > Davide
>> > https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Davide
>> https://vimeo.com/bocio/videos
>
>



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